Serious Prophecy about Islam and Christianity for the Fox Valley / “Common Ground Conference” held in the Fox Valley – Pigeonholing Christianity with Islam

Serious Prophecy about Islam and Christianity for the Fox Valley
Aug 17, 2009

I was told in a vision on September 25, 2007 that “people in the Church,” somehow emphasis on leaders of the Church, were already beginning to publicly postulate that Islam was, in effect, quite like Christianity. They would proceed to give examples of our similarities and begin to, and He used the term, “pigeonhole”, Christianity with Islam. This in effect would erode the line of demarcation between Islam and Christianity and He said that He “hates this.” That has been the only time, to date, that the Lord has used the word hate in any visions He has given me.

He also, in that same vision, told me that the head of the Taliban was, and I quote, “the head of a snake.” He said that He would stomp that snake, killing its head. He told me that the name of the man who was the head of the Taliban was Omar.

In July of this year, 2009, the Lord began to speak to me again about this issue. He was simply giving me information about the Church and how they were whittling away the difference between the Biblical beliefs of Orthodox Christianity with elements of the Islam faith. He then asked me with some urgency to post the vision publicly and I did so on my Facebook Group titled Shouts of Joy Ministries. Click here to see that posting on Facebook.

In early August of this year, I was told by the Lord during a time of prayer with others to “Shout to the people the sins of the Church”. Immediately this issue of Christians merging Islam with Christinaity came to mind but I had no idea specifically what the Lord was referring to and how He wanted me to do this.

The next day I was contacted by a member of the body of Christ here in the Fox Valley. The person was sharing information about a new movement sometimes called the “Insiders Movement” and the “Common Ground Movement” built on the C5 mission strategy of contextualization. C5 strategy promotes the idea that Muslims can remain in Islam and still be “Christ Followers” even as they continue to hold to Mohammed being God’s prophet and, for many, even holding that the Quran is a “holy book.” Obviously holding to Mohammed being God’s Prophet, when he denies Christ’s divinity, death and resurrection, compromises the core truths of our faith and blurs the line between Christianity and Islam. There are a number of ways this movement breaks down the line between us. I mention these two as examples only.

Elements of this movement are an example of how the Church is “pigeonholing” the Christian Faith with Islam. This is a sin and God hates it.

I am not writing to begin a debate with a movement or even to give my doctrinal opinions. I am simply conveying to you what the Lord has said about this broad issue and am asking you to pray about this; to consider it with great seriousness. I believe this will begin to affect many of us in the United States and in the Fox Valley in the very near future.

As I was praying about this issue and how to confront it, the Lord brought something to mind. Some years ago in a prophecy given first for CTR and then expanded to the Fox Valley churches the Lord was rebuking us for not allowing Him to be the Head of the Church. In His specific definition He said this,

“You are not allowing Jesus to be the Head of the church. The church is His House. You are putting people into ministry that God is not putting into ministry. You are taking people out of ministry that God is calling into ministry. You are putting people out of the church that God is calling into the church. You are bringing people into the church that God is casting out of the church. If you repent of this the Holy Spirit will be loosed on the church and the enemy will be held back. If you do not repent the devil will be loosed on the church and the Holy Spirit will hold back.” (Bolding mine)

I believe that what the Lord is speaking to regarding the Islam/Christian issue refers directly to the bolded part above. “Bringing people into the Church that are not being brought in by the Lord” is, in effect not allowing Him to be the Head.

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“Common Ground Conference” held in the Fox Valley
Pigeonholing Christianity with Islam
Aug 23, 2009

On August 17, 2009, I sent out a prophecy that the Lord gave me in September of 2007 that contained this statement, “leaders of the Church, were already beginning to publicly postulate that Islam was, in effect, quite like Christianity. They would proceed to give examples of our similarities and begin to, and He used the term, “pigeonhole”, Christianity with Islam. This in effect would erode the line of demarcation between Islam and Christianity and He said that He “hates this.” (Prophecy posted on my blog.)

On July 20, 2009, I posted this vision on my Shouts of Joy Ministries Facebook Group.

I didn’t know why, at the time, the Lord was pushing so urgently for me to get that vision posted, but in retrospect, I think that He wanted it posted before this non-biblical paradigm was introduced and taught in the Fox Valley.

As people in our region began to read these posted prophecies, I began to get a number of emails saying that Christ the Rock Community Church in Menasha, WI, was in fact hosting a “Common Ground” Conference on August 21, 2009. At the time the Lord began to speak to me about Islam, in 2007, I had no idea He would be referring to anyone in Wisconsin much less the Fox Valley. I was of the belief that my ministry in Rwanda and surrounding African countries would bring this issue to the forefront. But when I began to research the “Common Ground Movement” and what they postulated with the understanding that Christ the Rock was seemingly embracing this paradigm, I could see that those previous words were speaking to what is happening here and now.

We have an audio tape of the conference held at Christ the Rock this past Friday. I will post audio clips below of some of the quotes that brought me great concern. Many things stuck out as being biblically unfounded but my goal here is not to refute their teachings but to highlight that they are in fact “pigeonholing” Christianity with Islam; others can refute the basics of their paradigm in the blog.

		Quotes from the “Jesus and Islam Conference” held at Christ the Rock this past weekend:
		Example 1:  Click link here to hear audio and follow along to better understand what he is saying below “Second thing, we really believe that the only way to be reconciled to God is through the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus. Jesus is the only way. This is what He said in John 14, ‘I am the way, the truth, and the life. Nobody comes to the Father except by me.’ This is the same thing that they said in Acts chapter 4 that there is no name under heaven by which we must be saved, given what’s in Acts. So for us Jesus is the only way. Now, that may or may not mean that you have to change your religious identity.”
		Example 2:  Click link here to hear audio and follow along to better understand what he is saying below “…meaning there’s a possibility; that we are going to walk through the Bible and talk about why this is true; there is a possibility that someone could consider themselves a Muslim and yet follow Jesus whole-heartedly and be born again.”
		Example 3:  Click link here to hear audio and follow along to better understand what he is saying below – () added where text isn’t fully understandable “It is something that is really unique in our day because, if you will, it’s fourteen-hundred years just between Christianity ‘n Islam; there’s been some cases (he); there have been (quite a few ways) that seem to be that God is radically at work amongst both the Christians and the Muslims drawing them together in His kingdom.”
		***See Jay Smith’s full refutation of the “Common Ground Paradigm” here.***

Not only have the Christ the Rock missions leaders embraced this process of “pigeonholing” in hosting such a conference, and in effect have begun to teach it, I have also been informed that Janet Lenz has plans to meet with a Senator where she will address what they are seeking to do with the Muslims so that, and I quote, “His (the senator’s) purpose would be to take this information to the entire Muslim world.”

This subject of pigeonholing Christianity with Islam is very serious. It is spreading quickly and it is breaking down the line of demarcation between Christianity and Islam. God has said that He hates this. At many junctures as I attempt to write this article I find myself wanting to take up a theological debate regarding how what this movement is teaching is not biblically sound but God keeps bringing me back to tell you that He hates this. He wants you to hear His heart, to allow what He hates to impact you and your choices and your passions.

To those at Christ the Rock, be aware that your leaders are not allowing Christ to be the Head of the church, especially regarding this Islam/Christianity issue. As the original prophecy that I sent to the Christ the Rock Leadership in 2005 states,
“You are not allowing Jesus to be the Head of the church. The church is His House. You are putting people into ministry that God is not putting into ministry. You are taking people out of ministry that God is calling into ministry. You are putting people out of the church that God is calling into the church. You are bringing people into the church that God is casting out of the church.”

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I believe that this issue is one that demands action. It is very serious and the Church needs to respond. One primary response would be to forward these sets of prophesies to everyone that you know who attends Christ the Rock and encourage them to demand from their leadership that they hold to the truth. Also we must agree together in prayer, that this paradigm of “pigeonholing” stops, and whatever the scheme the enemy has in doing this will be bound and ceases. Then we must pray for our leaders that they will seek the heart of God in order that they may do His will His way. In every circumstance may you seek to do what pleases the Father, obey with courage and boldness what He asks you to do, allowing Him to be the Head of His Church!

Islam and Christianity Update

On October 13th 2007 in “A Common Word Between Us and You”, 138 Muslim scholars, clerics and intellectuals came together to declare the common ground between Christianity and Islam. The signatories to this message come from every denomination and school of thought in Islam. Every major Islamic country or region in the world is represented in this message, which is addressed to the leaders of all the world’s churches, and to all Christians everywhere.
The final form of the letter was presented at a conference in September 2007 held under the theme of “Love in the Quran,” by the Royal Academy of The Royal Aal al-Bayt Institute for Islamic Thought in Jordan, under the Patronage of H.M. King Abdullah II. The letter postulates that the most fundamental common ground between Islam and Christianity, and the best basis for future dialogue and understanding, is the love of God and the love of the neighbor. Any real issues of dissention were not addressed.
Loving God and Neighbor: A Christian Response to “A Common Word Between Us and You” is the name of the response to this original letter by many prominent Christian leaders. I found it amazingly interesting to scroll through the enormous number of signatures to see just who signed this response.
What I find very interesting is that the letter was sent just a few short weeks in 2007 after the Lord gave me the vision about Christianity and Islam. You can find the majority of the vision on the Facebook Group: Shouts of Joy Ministries.
This past month or so I have been praying and hearing about the Taliban and what the Lord is about to do to them. When the war in Afghanistan hit the news a few days ago claiming to supposedly have taken out a leader of the Taliban in an air strike I began to do some more research on the matter. That is when I found the correspondence previously mentioned.
As this topic has reemerged the term “pigeonholing” and what the Christian leaders are actually doing regarding this matter has become a deep and great concern. After finding the correspondence between the Islam leaders and a large number of Christian leaders I believe that they are saying that Islam can accommodate Christianity, they are taking elements of Islam and forcing it to accommodate Christianity by pretending that supposed similarities make the two compatible. I have even heard that some of these pro unity groups postulate that Muslims can remain being Muslim and be a “Christ Follower” as well, as they continue to attend the Mosque and read the Koran. Let me say here that I have been researching a book titled “Common Ground” which postulates these ideas and flushes them out more than the correspondence but I will write more on that latter.
This “pigeonholing” in effect I believe is syncretism. Syncretism as defined by the American Heritage Dictionary is the reconciliation or fusion of differing systems of belief. This is most evident in the areas of philosophy and religion, and usually results in a new teaching or belief system. Obviously, this cannot be reconciled to biblical Christianity. Religious syncretism often takes place when foreign beliefs are introduced to an indigenous belief system and the teachings are blended. The new, heterogeneous religion then takes a shape of its own. Syncretism relies on the whim of man, not the standard of Scripture. The Bible makes it very clear what true religion is. Think on just a few things stated in Scripture: “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind” (Deuteronomy 6:5; Matthew 22:37); “Jesus replied, ‘I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me’” (John 14:6); and “Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name” (John 20:31-32); and “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).

Religious syncretism is simply not compatible with true Christianity. In fact, any modification to biblical law and principle for the sake of a “better” religion is heresy (Revelation 22:18-19). These particular Christian leaders are attempting through syncretism to reach a people group by incorporating elements of that belief in their effort to reach them, but those elements are corrupting the very reason for reaching them in the first place.
This is just one initial thought about the entire topic. In the vision the Lord simply told me that leaders in the Church were already saying publically that Islam is similar to Christianity, pigeonholing the faith and breaking down the distinction between the two. The rest is my attempt to understand what that means and how God intends to use me to speak about it. Please be praying about this because I can sense a real seriousness in this issue.

Below is the link to another article that I discovered addressing the “A Common Word Between Us and You” that raises some interesting and well thought out questions. This week I hope to find some time to write further on this topic and do some more praying about it but for now I felt strongly that I needed to bring the topic up to see what others are hearing from the Lord about it. I believe it is going to become a very fundamental issue that the Church will have to grapple with in the very near future. So please if you hear something in prayer, or in your studies, or find as you research or hear the news, please feel free to post it on the blog or the Facebook Group.

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